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se

/se/

It. And, in spoken Finnish, he or she. Written hän Finns call people "it", and no course will tell you

hän on paper, se out loud

Kirjakieli · written hän
Puhekieli · spoken se

One of the written-and-spoken pairs - every word on this site that exists in both forms is in that table, beside the change between them.

The same sentence, both ways
What you will hear What the book writes
Se ei tuu tänään. Hän ei tule tänään.
Ne on jo lähteny. He ovat jo lähteneet.
Se sano et hän hoitaa sen. Hän sanoi hoitavansa sen.

Quick answer

Se means it, and in spoken Finnish it also means he or she. It does the job hän does on paper, and a Finn who hears it said about them thinks nothing of it.

  • It is not rude and it is not a contraction of hän - se is a different word that has taken over hän's job in speech.
  • The plural works the same way: ne rather than he.

What se means

Se is the demonstrative that points at something already in play - it, that, the one we were talking about. The standard grammar groups it with tämä and tuo.

The thing nobody warns you about is that in speech it also covers people. Se tuli eilen means "he came yesterday" or "she came yesterday", and there is nothing dismissive in it.

Why hän became se

Textbooks teach hän and he for people, and they are correct for written Finnish. The comprehensive grammar is explicit that in most spoken varieties the pronoun se is used neutrally for human reference.

Hän has not disappeared everywhere: it stays alive in southwestern and Ostrobothnian speech, and some eastern varieties give hän a job of its own, marking reported information or surprise. But across most of the country, in ordinary talk, people are se.

This is the single most disorienting thing about the gap between the two registers. You are not mishearing a word you know; you are hearing a word you know being used for something your course said it could not refer to.

Note what se is not. It is not a shortened hän. The two are unrelated words. Hän has simply retreated to writing, formality, and one specific spoken job described below.

The rule behind se

The change in se is not a one-off. It is one of the regular changes between written and spoken Finnish, and it applies well beyond this word.

Written Spoken What changed
Writtenhän Spokense What changedNot a contraction. Speech uses a different word, the demonstrative.
Writtenhe Spokenne What changedThe plural does the same, and takes a singular verb with it: ne on.
Writtenhänen Spokensen What changedThe possessive is rebuilt on the demonstrative stem.
Writtenhänellä Spokensillä What changedAnd the adessive: sillä on auto, she has a car.
Writtenhänet Spokensen What changedThe object form, where written Finnish has a dedicated shape and speech does not.

How Finns actually use se

For anyone: a colleague, a friend, a parent, a stranger. Se sano et se ei tuu - "he said he isn't coming".

Where hän survives in speech is reported speech. The grammar describes hän as logophoric there: inside a quoted or reported stretch, hän refers to the person whose words are being reported, while the framing clause around it uses se. So you can hear both pronouns in one sentence, doing two different jobs, and the spoken version is the clearer one. Se sano et hän hoitaa sen says unambiguously that she will do it herself; the written Hän sanoi, että hän hoitaa sen leaves you guessing which person the second hän is.

Finnish has no grammatical gender, so se carries no information about who the person is. This is why Finns speaking English mix up he and she so often - the distinction does not exist to be tracked.

se in a sentence

  • Se ei tuu tänään. He's not coming today. · written: Hän ei tule tänään.
  • Ne on jo lähteny. They've already left. · written: He ovat jo lähteneet.
  • Se sano et hän hoitaa sen. She said she'd take care of it herself. · written: Hän sanoi hoitavansa sen.
se - a grandmother and her daughter in a kitchen looking through a doorway at someone out of shot, snow outside the window
In speech se is he and she. Hän is for writing.

se in a conversation

Onks Anni tulossa?
Se sano et se tulee vähän myöhemmin.
Selvä.
Ne muut on jo siellä.

The mistake everyone makes with se

Producing hän everywhere in conversation because that is what was taught. Not wrong, but it makes ordinary speech sound written.

Translating se as "it" in your head and getting confused about who is being discussed. In speech, assume se means a person unless the context says otherwise.

Questions people ask about se

Why do Finns say se instead of hän?

Because that is the grammar of spoken Finnish. The comprehensive grammar states that in most spoken varieties se is used neutrally to refer to people; hän belongs to written and formal language.

Is it rude to call someone se in Finnish?

Not about someone who is absent - that is completely neutral. About someone standing in front of you it can be pointed, and se yks tyyppi is dismissive. The rule of thumb: absent, neutral; present, be careful.

Is se a short form of hän?

No. They are unrelated words. Se is a demonstrative that has taken over the job hän does in writing.

When do Finns still say hän in speech?

Mainly in reported speech, where hän refers to the person whose words are being reported while the surrounding clause uses se. The grammar calls this the logophoric use.

Does se tell you if the person is a man or a woman?

No, and neither does hän. Finnish has no grammatical gender, which is why Finnish speakers so often mix up he and she in English.

What is the plural of se for people?

Ne. Where writing uses he, speech uses ne.

Is se correct Finnish?

Yes. Se is the spoken form; hän is the written one. Both are standard Finnish - they belong to different registers, and neither is a degraded version of the other.

ne - an older couple on an apartment balcony looking down at neighbours in the courtyard below, yellow autumn leaves around them
ne written he Finland advertised its pronoun on billboards abroad. At home it says this one
mä - two people talking on the shore of an autumn lake beside a wooden jetty
mä written minä The word every textbook spells with three more letters
sä - an older woman behind a Finnish kiosk counter leaning forward and asking a young customer something directly, pointing with an open hand
sä written sinä The polite version you are looking for does not exist
mun - a woman lifting her coat off the back of a café chair as an older man reaches for the same one, melting snow outside
mun written minun Say the phrase your textbook drilled and a Finn hears you arguing over whose book it is
oon - a young woman on the phone in an office kitchen doorway saying where she is, coffee cup already in hand, melting snow on the ledge outside
oon written olen Someone rings to say where they are. This is the word you will miss
ei oo - a shop assistant and a customer both shrugging in front of a half-empty shelf in a Finnish supermarket
ei oo written ei ole The sentence a shop assistant says to you, in the shape they say it
onks - a man leaning on a Finnish kiosk counter asking whether something is in, the older vendor already reaching under the counter
onks written onko Move the question letter one word to the left and you have asked something else
meen - a woman pulling her coat on in a dim Finnish hallway, half out of the door and calling back into the flat, snow outside
meen written menen In Finnish you do not get married - you go into marriages, and it is plural

Sources for se

  1. VISK § 717 - grammatical properties vs. reference to people Iso suomen kielioppi, Kotimaisten kielten keskus - States that in most spoken varieties se is used neutrally for human reference, and describes hän in reported speech as logophoric.
  2. VISK § 720 - tämä, tuo, se, nämä, nuo, ne Iso suomen kielioppi, Kotimaisten kielten keskus - The demonstrative system se belongs to, and how the three-way distinction works.
  3. VISK § 716 - minä, sinä, hän, me, te, he Iso suomen kielioppi, Kotimaisten kielten keskus - The personal pronoun paradigm hän is the written third person of, for contrast.
  4. VISK § 713 - what pronouns are Iso suomen kielioppi, Kotimaisten kielten keskus - Why se and hän sit in different classes despite doing the same job in speech.
  5. Kielitoimiston sanakirja: se, hän Kotimaisten kielten keskus

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